Ayahuasca 101

What you need to know about plant medicine

 

Podcasting live from the lush jungles of Costa Rica, this is Vibration Rising Radio, with your host ...

 

Carlos Duran:

... and Carlos Duran. Adi, what's today's topic?

 

Adi Shakti:

Today we are going to talk about the sacred plant medicine of ayahuasca.

 

Carlos Duran:

From the heart of the Amazonian jungle.

 

Adi Shakti:

From the heart of the Amazonian jungle, and there's lots of sacred plants and power plants, I've heard them called, all over North and South America, with peyote and San Pedro further north, and then you get into the ayahuasca further south. Preserving the sanctity of these plants and their use for the indigenous tribes is an important thing, and I think that, as we move into this new paradigm and this new age of awakening, we start to blend our values, our North American values, with some of the medicines and different healing techniques that are available globally I know with yoga, with any sort of ancient practice. We're starting to mix this into a retreat format and where there's money exchanged and tourism and all of these different things that can make things a little bit complicated. I want to talk about it. I want to talk about what are these plant medicines, ayahuasca most specifically. Where do they come from? What's the direction that it's headed in, and how can we as spiritual warriors really commit to being as conscious as we can as we move forward in relating to these medicines?

 

Carlos Duran:

A little background first, why am I the one answering these questions? I've been working with one shaman for the last five years of my life, Taita Juanito [Chindoy 00:01:57] of the Colombian Amazon. He is of the Inga Tribe and also studies under the [Seona 00:02:03] lineage. Over the last five years, I've had the opportunity to sit with him in the Amazon, to sit with his teacher, who's 109 years strong and still very active, very full of life. He's one of the elder taitas of Colombia. Over the years, I've had the opportunity to acquire some information, some knowledge, some direct experience. I use the word some because, even though it's been five years, we're talking about a culture that's thousands of years old, and, as a universal wisdom, like in all other universal wisdoms, there's many layers to it, and there's a lot of depth to it. Here I will do my best to answer our questions, and if I don't know, I simply don't know, and I'll just say that.

 

Adi Shakti:

The first question I would like to dive into is I know with the yoga practice ... And that's what I have the most direct experience with, but there were generations of secrecy around the practice, and there was a collective ... from what I understand in the history of yoga, there was a decision that was made among the leaders that decided that it was time to share the practice with the West. For yoga, for me personally, the first thing that you dive into is the lineage and why it is that you're even qualified to have this conversation. I'm curious about this component of the secrecy, or why is it now that these plant medicines are being used, and what is the relationship of the lineage, and how are those two things connected? Namaste. This is Adi Shakti, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to invite you down to Cost Rica to partake in one of our personal transformation intensives here on the Caribbean coast. You can head over to PassionYogaSchool.com to learn more about our upcoming intensive trainings here in the jungle. Thank you so much, and I look forward to seeing you here in the jungle soon. Namaste.

 

Carlos Duran:

Adi, that's a great question. About 30 years ago, what happened is very similar to what happened with yoga. About 30 years ago, simultaneously, throughout the tribes of the Amazon, whether it was Peru or Colombia or Ecuador or Brazil, the medicine sent a message to the tribal leaders. She said that she wanted to be brought out of the jungle and into the world because, up until that point in time, the medicine was reserved for the Amazon. It was virtually unheard of that you would attend a ceremony outside of the Amazon on tribal land. This was her request. She said that now was the time to bring her into the world. There's a very old, indigenous policy that talks about now, when the condor of the north and the eagle of the south would meet. This is what this means: Now what we're having today is yoga being propagated in the West. The medicines of the north, like the peyote, like the tamascals, like the San Pedro, they're coming down further south. Now, for example, with our culture, we're starting to incorporate tamascals, and we're exploring how to best integrate San Pedro and peyote with the culture of ayahuasca.

 

Ayahuasca herself is traveling to the north, and there, there are elders that are seeking how to integrate her into their medicines. This is the meeting of the condor and the eagle, and that's basically it. It's now because now is when the medicine said bring me out of the jungle and into the world, and this happened simultaneously. There wasn't a meeting. There wasn't a conference call or a Skype call between tribal elders and leaders. This is what the medicine brought as a unified message. If you ask why now, because now is the time when we need it most. The story of ayahuasca is that there's many paths to enlightenment or many doors that we can walk through, and ayahuasca is one of these doors. Now, according to the teachings, the light force that's in the ayahuasca is the light force of the Holy Spirit or the spirit of the creator that dwells here on earth with us actively. It was hidden in the vine for this moment when we're experiencing this massive [dark matter of the soul 00:06:57] and earth. It was hidden so that the darkness itself would not be able to consume her. Now when the time of calling would come, she would be exposed to the world in order to bring healing, in order to bring consciousness, in order to bring unity. Does this answer the question? world in order to bring healing, in order to bring consciousness, in order to bring unity. Does this answer the question?

 

Adi Shakti:

Yeah. My next question would be you keep talking about ayahuasca as a her or ayahuasca as somehow communicating. What does it mean? For a lot of our listeners, maybe they don't have this relationship with particular plants. What does it mean for a plant to communicate? That sounds a little sci-fi. What does that mean? How do you melt into the subtleties, or how is it that you are able to start to listen to the messaging of a plant?

 

Carlos Duran:

There are a few things in that question. First, on the truest level of existence, there is no duality. There is no feminine and masculine; there's existence. Then we perceive energies in this world as separate, or they manifest as separate, the way that a man and a woman would manifest, even though we both embody masculine and feminine properties and energies. The ayahuasca is considered a feminine life force of God. It's a feminine aspect of our creator, but, in truth, when the brew is prepared, there's an aspect of the plant that's masculine, and there's an aspect of the plant that's feminine, even though they're interchangeable because duality really doesn't exist. There's a balance of energies, but the consciousness, the driving essence of the force in the ayahuasca drink, the brew or tea as some people call it, depending on their culture and tradition, is a feminine force. The vine is here now to bring consciousness, and so the question is how do we connect to that consciousness to, like you said, to listen to the plant? The truth is that all of nature is always in concert, and this concert is being played for our benefit. When the birds are singing and when the trees and the leaves are rustling and ruffling with the wind, when your cat is meowing, this is all of nature speaking to us. Even a piece of kale has communication for you because we know, through science, that all plants have DMT. They have DMT receptors, and so DMT is the cosmic fiber optic line that connects communication with all of existence. It's not just that the ayahuasca is unique in communicating; no, it's that all of nature has a unique communication with all of man and man with all of nature. Now the question is how do we become more in-tune, more receptive to this communication? That's through personal practice, by us cleaning ourselves of the mental noise, by us healing from past traumas, by offering forgiveness to those that we feel have hurt and betrayed us, by offering forgiveness to ourselves. Forgiveness is the first component in clearing up the dredge that's limiting communication. Then comes gratitude. Once we become grateful for life, for the things that we have, for the things that we don't have, when we're grateful for the things that other people have, for the things that people don't have, when we practice gratitude, then we're able to eliminate the noise of the mind. Through forgiveness and gratitude, we begin a daily practice. The way that we live will, by definition, begin to [synthesize 00:11:02] us more with the  natural rhythm and the natural communication that has always taken place with all life around us. Good day, Vibration Rising Radio listeners. This is Carlos Duran here, just wanted to let you know about a project we have bringing indigenous art from the Colombian Amazon out into the first world. If you'd like to check out the pieces or learn more about how the project works and supports local tribes in Colombia, please go to Facebook.com/PintasdelJaguar, or just scroll down and follow the link in the show notes. Thank you so much, and have a blessed day.

 

Adi Shakti:

Carlos, you talk about clearing the vessel, and you talk about the different qualities and the DMT that exists in all plants, and starting to have a relationship with all different sorts of plants and connecting around that DMT or the consciousness molecule [that started 00:11:59] to understand it. For me, I work with plant medicine, but I work with cacao. I work with doing herbs, chamomile in the evenings if I'm feeling stressed or what I consider to be more subtle energies. For me, it's a way, if I'm feeling unbalanced internally, I can turn to some of these tools, these plants that I have outside of me to bring me into a state of balance. One of the things that I struggle with a bit with ayahuasca is I wouldn't describe the experiences that I've heard secondhand from other people as subtle experiences, that it seems that it's a very, very deep journey, which I value that, but I am concerned. Maybe some of the listeners might have this similar feeling of diving in so deep and coming back out of this experience and not really integrating in a subtle way. Where the yoga is very one baby step in front of the other moving forward, where this seems like ... You hear the stories about the vomiting and the shitting, all of these things that happens in the context of the experience. What would you say to that? How does one re-get their footing? How much is too much? When is it appropriate to partake in an experience like this? Who's it for? Those types of things. How do we bring ourselves back and reintegrate after an experience like that?

 

Carlos Duran:

The first thing that I want to say is that we have to have awareness in this world because, like my taita teaches ... Taita means guide, and it's the traditional indigenous word for shaman, is taita. We have to have awareness that this physical world exists, so whether we retreat to the mountain for a practice of vipassana, silence meditation, or we retreat to have a ... In other words, whenever we retreat to the mountain for any kind of spiritual practice, one should not ignore that one will be returning to the [mundane 00:14:19] world at some point in time. There's no point in ignoring this world or making pretend that it doesn't exist because it's really here. We have to see that, just like in every other spiritual path, there are those that are willing to pervert the teachings and are willing to manipulate the teachings for personal gain. Just like with anything else that you're going to experience for the of the time and that you're going to go out somewhere to find this experience ... And what I mean by out, I mean outside of yourself as a sentient being. You have to have awareness of where you're going and who you're going with, so it's important to check references, to have recommendations because this is a responsibility for self. I wouldn't go sit in a yoga studio with a yoga teacher that's not recommended to me because this is my body. What if this person manipulates me in a way that causes a hurt to my body? I would not allow this, so the same way with ayahuasca. One would not go sit in a ceremony with someone that calls themselves a shaman without you first having verified their credentials and gotten references and recommendations and testimonials, preferably always from people you know, but if not, at the very least, by contacting whichever center or ceremony space that you're thinking about attending and asking them, "Hey, could I have a few references, a few people that I can call and ask them about your space and about your leader and about your group?" For example, with our culture, we're very open, so anyone is always welcome to check our references and see what's available and what we do and how their experience was, so that's one, is practicing a very conscious awareness of where you're going and who you're going with. The thing is that ayahuasca is for everyone, but not everyone is for ayahuasca, in a sense. Like I said before, there's 1,000 different doors, so, for example, while I enjoy reading about Sufism, I myself don't feel called to go practice Sufism, or, for example, there's other medicines that I'm aware of that I don't feel called. God put these medicines here for all of us, but not all of us are called at the same time to go to each medicine. That's one. The other thing that I want to clarify before going further is that there is experience, and then there is practice as a practitioner. For example, I experience yoga. I've been experiencing yoga now for 16, 17 years, but I would never call myself a yoga practitioner because it's not my path. It's something that I clearly have benefited from on a spiritual, mental and physical level, and it's something that I continue to experience. I have my own practice of yoga, and I go to yoga classes, but I don't consider myself a yoga practitioner.

 

Ayahuasca is also like this. One can come to a ceremony or a series of ceremonies or be committed to going to ... I go to a ceremony when I feel the calling, to receive healing, to receive guidance, to receive instruction, alignment. In no way does that mean that you're a practitioner of the path or that you have to become a practitioner of the path. In fact, over the five years, I would say that 99.2% of everyone that we've had the opportunity to share ceremony space with are not practitioners of the path. They come for their healing. When I go to a yoga class, I come to get what I need, and they come to ceremony to get what they need. In no way is there an implied or an intended commitment to the path itself. The medicine is there for all. Why the vomiting and why the diarrhea? It's just like everything else in life. There's levels of intensity, and there's levels of depth. I can go for a light workout and do maybe a little bit of jogging, a little bit of yoga, a little bit of Pilates, a little bit of stretching. That's one level of fitness, or, like my dear friend, Jonathon, who's a cross trainer, he does with the respirator mask and these ... [our monkeys 00:19:02]. He does these intense, massive workouts with hundreds of pounds of weight, and I would never do this because it's an intense workout that I'm not attracted to. Like different levels of working out produce different results, this is like the ayahuasca. The tradition says that what happens with ayahuasca, because everything works on the quantum level and she is cosmic consciousness, when you come in to [commune 00:19:28] with her, that session that you're sitting with her, those few hours become like cosmic years. It's like a lot of time and space being condensed on the quantum level to one moment, so there's generational healing that's happening, ancestral healing, personal healing, personal guidance, personal alignment, because we all have a story. This story goes through all the molecules of all of our existence through all our lifetimes through all our ancestors. All of our ancestors have a story. If we look at the spiritual teachings that are coming out now into the world, it's all about healing our past. It's all about coming into communion with our ancestors. The ayahuasca is a very direct, intense way of doing this healing work in a shorter frame of time, and that's what it really is. The teachings teach us that we hold traumas in our body. These traumas are stored in our muscles, in our organs, and that our stomach is an entire cosmos. The diarrhea comes as a purge; it's a physical purge releasing these traumas from the body or these [ailments 00:20:43] that are hindering us physically. The vomit is a spiritual purge. This is purging the judgment of the mind, whether it's self-judgment or judgment of others. This is releasing the noise of the mind, and this is also releasing the decisions that we've made in the past and in past lives and that our ancestors have made in past lives that have caused negative energy or lower energy to come into our frequency. The vomit is a way of spiritual purge.

 

Adi Shakti:

Namaste. This is Adi Shakti, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to invite you down to Cost Rica to partake in one of our personal transformation intensives here on the Caribbean coast. You can head over to PassionYogaSchool.com to learn more about our upcoming intensive trainings here in the jungle. Thank you so much, and I look forward to seeing you here in the jungle soon. Namaste. What makes ayahuasca ... In this intense experience, you talk about diving into this intense experience for intense benefit. We're melting into centuries of the cosmos and time and space and really experiencing heightened abilities to access healing, but I still have this same ... I don't know that you really, I guess, addressed the question that I intended when I asked it. If you're going so far so fast, how is it that you are then able to safely integrate back in?
 

Carlos Duran:

This goes back to the first statement that I made in your question, which was, first, you want to make sure of the space and the people that you're holding ceremony with.

 

Adi Shakti:

I'm talking about more once the ceremony's over. I'm a facilitator, and I do my absolute best to hold a space and provide support throughout the course of what it is that I'm facilitating. I am doing this through the practice of yoga, and I feel good about my process. Even with my students, once they get home, there's this disorienting process that happens, and we're just diving into these subtle practices of yoga. Then I spend a lot of time on the phone with my students trying to support them as they get their footing after they've received these subtle teachings. I guess, I'm just concerned or would be concerned about once you're gone, once the shaman's gone, once the smoke has cleared and the prayers have stopped and someone's back on a plane, is it safe for them?

 

Carlos Duran:

The first thing, again, this is why ... Because from my experience, I've only drank with one, single shaman and his tribe for five years, so, in that sense, I can only speak about what I've experienced and what we do, and then maybe I can speak about what I've heard from other people's experiences. This is why I say that the first thing, it's so important to have awareness of who you're having ceremony with. The other thing that's an important question to ask is what is in the brew. The brew should only have, basically, three components. The water, the leaf ... The leaf is either called chacruna or [chagropanga 00:24:00], and the vine, the caapi, the ayahuasca vine. Some cultures add other elements, other herbs to this, and in our culture, we don't agree with this because this isn't the way that we've been taught that the energy of the medicine works. Next, so, for example, in our group, when we hold ceremony, there's instructions given. There's integration instructions that are given after the ceremony for people to practice. Then we offer a clear communication. For example, in our group, there are four primary helpers, and each person that attends ceremony has their email address, has their Facebook and has our WhatsApp number. When they go home, if there's something in integration process that's outside of what the instructions given were or they have any issue whatsoever, even the smallest issues, they're very encouraged to contact us immediately. Then we offer them support. If we ourselves cannot support them, then we put them directly in touch with our shaman. There's never, at any moment, a disconnection. We're always available for the person, and we're always available to them to support that integration process.

 

 

Adi Shakti:

Beautiful, that's really important. It's the same thing we extend to my students, is that they have that access, and I think that's really important as people get their footing. I guess, for me, in my younger years, I experienced just a couple of times in my life though, but LSD. It is a intense medicine. Some would call it a medicine. I don't really consider it that, and it is really the only experience that I have had with a substance that's taken me to a place where I felt like I was no longer in my body or was not available or very, very disorienting. I haven't experienced ayahuasca, but I imagine it to be similar and that you're really escaping into these other realms. I'm just wondering. I'm not sure I you, Carlos, have experienced acid. I would think so.

 

Carlos Duran:

Copious amounts.

 

Adi Shakti:

I would assume so. I just wasn't sure. If you were talking about LSD versus ayahuasca, what are the similarities? How is it different? Can you talk about those two?

 

Carlos Duran:

Yeah. There's absolutely no similarity. It's like being on one planet and another planet and talking about geography. There's no ...

 

Adi Shakti:

You're going to different planets on each of these journeys, so that's unique.

 

Carlos Duran:

There's some very popular misconceptions, and you just touched on a bunch of them. First, with ayahuasca, there is no escape. Let me see if I can condense the volume of thought in my mind right now. First, when we deal with ... And I have taken copious amounts of acid. I've had very pure acid, and this is in no way to diminish or to take away from the experience that people have had with acid. This is just me answering the question from my perspective. First, also important to know so that when people ask who's speaking, I'm a person that has had pure MDMA. I've had pure acid. I've been an explorer of chemical pathways from my teenage years, and so I definitely feel I come with a lot of experience when I speak about this. First, the journey that each person takes is very individual. In our culture, there are four types of visions, and only one of these visions is actually visual. There's another vision, which is when you receive counsel, when you hear advice or you feel intuitive advice coming to you. This is also a vision. There's also a vision when you feel physical healing taking place in your body. Then there's a fourth vision, when you have no vision at all, and this is considered the strongest vision of all because this is when the medicine is working from the origins of your soul, aligning all your karmic debts and bringing everything into frequency from the past so that burden, that generational, ancestral burden or debt has been balanced. Basically, in a way, it is said that she is doing the work for you, but you've earned this, so she is doing the work in other realms. It's not a question of escape; it's a question of ... When you first come to yage, it's about where does she need you to go. Where is she taking you? Then as you get deeper into the experience of yage or ayahuasca ... It's called yage in our culture because of the brew, and so some places call it te or tea, and so some people call it the brew, depending on the culture. When you're with this medicine, she is taking you where you're able to go. She's conscious; she's aware. We wouldn't put in a crystal that's capable of only standing 50 megahertz of energy into a situation where there's 150 megahertz of energy; this would break the crystal. She only takes you where you need to go, and there's no escape. It's a process of healing, always, but it's a different process for everyone, every single time. There is no way to compare it with LSD because it's not a trip; it's a process; it's a journey. It's not like where you see just visuals with LSD. Even though there's very, very, very many positive stories and documentations of LSD use, it's still a chemical component. What I have found with chemicals ... I'm sorry ...

 

Adi Shakti:

Manmade chemicals.

 

Carlos Duran:

... manmade [crosstalk 00:30:11]. Correct, everything's a chemical, synthetic chemicals or manmade chemicals. The analogy that I use is that everything is like a dimension, and there's energy stored in all these dimensions. Synthetic chemicals bring you into dimensions that you may not necessarily have access to, so you've hacked into this energy field, and, wow, and it blows your mind, but then you can come crashing down. Then there's a depletion in your body because you were in a place where you didn't have the capacity to process that energy of that space.  day, Vibration Rising Radio listeners. This is Carlos Duran here, just wanted to let you know about a project we have bringing indigenous art from the Colombian Amazon out into the first world. If you'd like to check out the pieces or learn more about how the project works and supports local tribes in Colombia, please go to Facebook.com/PintasdelJaguar, or just scroll down and follow the link in the show notes. Thank you so much, and have a blessed day.

 

Adi Shakti:

Carlos, can you abuse ayahuasca, or, if someone were abusing ayahuasca, what would that mean? Is that something that people can struggle with?

 

Carlos Duran:

Yeah. I think there's a few ways to abuse ayahuasca. In our culture, payment is very important, and it's not monetary payment. The payment that our culture teaches are required are attitude, action, thought and word. If you're drinking ayahuasca but you're not really transforming, you're not really changing, you're not putting into practice the guidance that she's offering you, then that's abusive. You're not respecting the medicine, and you're only going there for a journey, or you're going there for whatever reason you're going, but you're abusing the medicine because you're not actually paying. You're not actually transforming with the healing that she's offering you. Now, in today's world, you can access sellers of ayahuasca online, so I think that if you were to just buy this online and be drinking it at home, this could also lead to a form of abuse. There's no chemical dependency that's created. Scientific studies show that there's no type of psychological or physical addiction that's created, but maybe you use ayahuasca ... Maybe you do use it as a form to escape because you don't want to take on the day-to-day offerings that life has given you. For sure, I think that if you don't put into practice what the medicine offers you or if you take it just to take it, this could definitely be a form of abuse.

 

Adi Shakti:

Thank you. I was in Ecuador a couple of years ago [and now with a group 00:33:00]. We were doing a lot of beautiful work there with the Cofan people and rainforest regeneration and indigenous rights and all kinds of wonderful things. We did have a [Cofani 00:33:13] shaman that came and offered us ceremony, but it was a little bit different in that he drank, and we all took a posture of meditation and really worked to attune ourselves to him and have the experience that way. What I'm hearing you say is there's a lot of different paths. There's a lot of different traditions. There's a lot of different ways that it's practiced. What you were talking about ... And we're headed towards this goal. Whatever the path is with ayahuasca or otherwise, we're headed to this goal of enlightenment. I'm curious. I would love to hear you define enlightenment. What is enlightenment? What is it that we are working towards, whether it be through ayahuasca or thorough yoga or through any of these spiritual practices, subtle, not subtle, whatever it is that we're working? What is the goal here? What are we trying to uncover?

 

Carlos Duran:

Some people think of enlightenment, and immediately they think of Krishna or Buddha or Yeshua, Jesus, or they think of Nara, or they think of Babaji or [Amataji 00:34:28] or

 

Adi Shakti:

Or prince.

 

Carlos Duran:

Or prince. I don't know, but they think of these ascended masters, and, certainly, this is a level of very high enlightenment, but enlightenment really and truly is, any time that we make a change for higher energy, I become more enlightened. When I become more accepting of myself and others, I become more enlightened. When I choose to love myself and not judge, when I choose to love others or simply accept and respect others and not judge, I have reached a level of enlightenment. I think that when you say what are we working towards right now, I think as a collective human, the level of enlightenment we're working towards is unity, just being able to ... like the ants. You can have 500,000 ants walking north and 500,000 ants walking south in the exact same line, and there's no conflict. They coexist, and they work with each other to move along that same line even though they would appear to be  moving in different directions. I think that this is the first step of major enlightenment that humanity is seeking, just a unity on earth where we can exist in equilibrium with life around us, where we have peace instead of war, where we have intelligent conflict resolutions instead of aggression, where force is what we work with instead of power. This, to me, is the first step of human enlightenment, is unity.

 

Adi Shakti:

We're working towards getting beyond the duality, this remembering that we are all of the same creative ...

 

Carlos Duran:

Point or source.

 

Adi Shakti:

Exactly, yeah. That's the teachings of all of these paths that we've been discussing here. Thank you so much, Carlos. I think that that was insightful. Go ahead.

 

Carlos Duran:

I just want to say that, if you have interest in ayahuasca, if you have any questions, I would be happy to answer. Our entire group would be happy to answer them. We have a website, www.FincaAmbiwasi.com. That's F-I-N-C-A-A-M-B-I-W-A-S-I.com, and we have a non-intrusive newsletter that you can sign up for that only goes out with dates. Then there's contact information there if you have more questions, without any commitment. If you just have questions about the medicine, we'd be more than happy to help. We host two retreats a year in Colombia, and anyone that's interested that feels the calling in their heart is welcome to ask questions and, of course, is welcome to come and sit in ceremony with us and join us. Other than this, I would just say that you have to follow your heart. If yoga, if ayahuasca, if tamascal is something that is sitting in your heart with curiosity, go forward; explore it.

 

Adi Shakti:

I think that that's good, but I do think that there's ... I'm seeing a lot of concoctions, these concoctions of ancient wisdom that the Western mind is starting to pick. I'll take this from here and this from here and this from here, and digging lots of really shallow wells. I think that trying something for sure, but it's important, as we develop as spiritual practitioners, that we do work to find a lineage and a path to really go deep with a particular discipline.

 

Carlos Duran:

I 100% agree with that. For my path, my path right now is the path of yage. This is the path that I'm on right now, and I've been on this path for five years in this lifetime, and I agree. I also don't want to ... So, for example, I will go practice Pilates. I will go practice qigong. I will go practice yoga. If needed, I will go to an acupuncturist. I will go to Clarity Breathwork because I find that these are things that help me, so definitely use tools that help you, but, like Adi said, do not dig shallow wells where you're just this cool traveler having little bits of this and that but no true anchor, no true root.
 

Adi Shakti:

[Inaudible 00:38:44]. Beautiful. Thank you so much, Carlos, for your passionate, insightful expression.

 

Carlos Duran:

My pleasure, Adi.

 

Adi Shakti:

We'll get this up here soon, so, for you guys listening, you guys heard the information from Carlos, and we'll make sure that it's in the show notes for you. Thank you so much to all of you for your commitment to raising your own personal vibration. I'm Adi Shakti.

 

Carlos Duran:

I'm Carlos Duran.

 

Adi Shakti:

This is Vibration Rising Radio.